The Budweiser FA Cup

[Lineker]

What's wrong with that article, nothing wrong with that journalism. Story is so sad though. Amazing that this still exists in 2012.

[Colly]

Only that its still under investigation but they've still heavily linked with Suarez ('fans possibly wearing Suarez shirts'), so there's some fair speculation. Otherwise makes my hatred of Liverpools horrendous handling of this greater every passing game.

[Lineker]

I think you can get away with it by using the word alleged!

[Colly]

Of course. Doesn't make it any less of a hate rag though. Surprised they're not pro football racism...

[Lineker]

Pro football racism gives you cancer!

[DavidMarrio]

Of course. Doesn't make it any less of a hate rag though. Surprised they're not pro football racism...

Yeh we don't support Kick it Out, we prefer keep it in because well you know the club, the players and the fans we are all racist....

[Lineker]

Birmingham: Doyle, Spector, Davies, Ridgewell, Murphy, Elliott, Mutch, N'Daw, Gomis, Redmond, Rooney.

Subs: Butland, Caldwell, King, Beausejour, Fahey, Zigic, Reilly.

Wolves: de Vries, Stearman, Johnson, Berra, Ward, Kightly, Henry, Jonsson, Hunt, Ebanks-Blake, Doyle.

Subs: Hennessey, Elokobi, Edwards, Fletcher, Frimpong, Jarvis, Foley.

Referee: Mike Dean (Wirral)

Roger Johnson faces his old club, new loanee Frimpong is on the bench. New signing Jonsson is set for a debut.

[Regia]

I'm surprised at how empty the ground looks, considering it's a derby game.

[Colly]

Of course. Doesn't make it any less of a hate rag though. Surprised they're not pro football racism...

Yeh we don't support Kick it Out, we prefer keep it in because well you know the club, the players and the fans we are all racist....

I was talking about the Mail, not Liverpool, though I have made my views on the clubs actions perfectly clear. Equally condescending smily.

Edited January 7, 2012 by Colly

[Jimmy]

That article's disgusting to read. It's obvious a large percentage of Liverpool fans are nothing like that, but for fans to be wearing Suarez shirts - and to start chanting his name when it was kind of clear what the young player was upset about was really, really stupid. It's sad that racism has seemingly sprung back up into our game recently, it's terrible.

[Lineker]

Ten changes for us, only Defoe keeps his place. Dawson makes his first start since returning from injury.

Cudicini; Livermore, Bassong, Dawson, Rose; Lennon, Kranjcar, Pienaar, Giovani; Defoe, Pavlyuchenko.

Subs: Gomes, Kaboul, Bostock, Carroll, Falque, Parrett, van der Vaart.

[Hobo]

Its from the Daily Fail so take with a pinch of salt, but I don't remember many incidents of players crying after a coin throw...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2083403/Liverpool-race-row-Fan-abuses-Oldham-player-Tom-Adeyemi.html?ITO=1490

Yet more bad PR.

It's not like the club can control idiot fans now is it?

One of the silliest things in that article is 'Liverpool fans wearing Luis Suarez shirts. Then they show a photo of fans said to be abusing Adeyemi and not a single Suarez shirt or scarf in the photo.

I then looked at the video (I was watching the game last night but my steam wasn't great and I didn't properly see this). There were what looks like three guys in Suarez shirts with scarfs and hats on. You can an official walking over towards them.

The Suarez chant flares up but that could just be poor timing since it was a break in play. Because they've been chanting his name a lot recently even when he hasn't been playing.

Hopefully those three guys that seem to be to blame get a deserving punishment.

[Lineker]

Swansea: Tremmel, Rangel, Monk, Williams, Taylor, Britton, Agustien, Orlandi, Routledge, Dyer, Graham.

Subs: Moreira, Bessone, Allen, Sigurdsson, Sinclair, Lita, Moore.

Barnsley: Steele, Hassell, McEveley, Foster, Davies, Done, Perkins, McNulty, Addison, Vaz Te, Drinkwater.

Subs: Preece, Edwards, Wiseman, Noble-Lazarus, Gray, Taylor, Digby

Referee: Stuart Attwell (Warwickshire)

Swansea keeper Gerhard Tremmel making his debut after taking his boots (and gloves) along to their summer training camp and asking for a game.

Everton: Howard, Coleman, Heitinga, Distin, Neville, Donovan, Fellaini, Bilyaletdinov, Gueye, McFadden, Anichebe.

Subs: Hahnemann, Baines, Drenthe, Stracqualursi, Vellios, Duffy, McAleny.

Tamworth: Collister, Tait, Habergam, Courtney, Francis, Thomas, Patterson, Barrow, Christie, Kanyuka, McKoy.

Subs: Hedge, Oji, St Aimie, McDonald, Shariff, Taylor, Wallen.

Referee: Robert Madley (West Yorkshire)

McFadden makes his first Everton start in three years. Anichebe also returns after a long injury layoff.

Macclesfield: Veiga, Bateson, Brisley, Brown, Tremarco, Hamshaw, Wedgbury, Mendy, Diagne, Daniel, Donnelly.

Subs: Collis, Morgan, Mukendi, Fairhurst, Fisher, Hewitt, Whiteoak.

Bolton: Bogdan, Riley, Wheater, Knight, Robinson, Eagles, Reo-Coker, Pratley, Petrov, Klasnic, Kevin Davies.

Subs: Lynch, Tuncay, Mark Davies, Blake, N'Gog, Boyata, O'Halloran.

Referee: Jon Moss (W Yorkshire)

Kevin Davies makes his first Bolton start in almost a month. Adam Bogdan remains in goal.

MK Dons: Martin, Smith, Shaun Williams, MacKenzie, Lewington, Chadwick, Gleeson, Potter, Bowditch, Ibehre, Daniel Powell.

Subs: McLoughlin, Kouo-Doumbé, Flanagan, O'Shea, Lobjoit, Alli, Collins.

QPR: Cerny, Young, Gabbidon, Hall, Hill, Mackie, Derry, Faurlin, Smith, Macheda, Campbell.

Subs: Murphy, Helguson, Bothroyd, Buzsaky, Connolly, Andrade, Orr.

Referee: Michael Oliver (Northumberland)

Kiko Macheda gets a start for QPR.

West Brom: Foster, Jones, Dawson, McAuley, Shorey, Jara, Dorrans, Morrison, Thorne, Cox, Odemwingie.

Subs: Fulop, Mattock, Tchoyi, Woods, Mantom, Tamas, Fortune.

Cardiff: Heaton, Quinn, Gerrard, Keinan, Naylor, Kiss, Blake, McPhail, Conway, Gestede, Earnshaw.

Subs: Marshall, Gyepes, Mason, Evans, Oshilaja, Wharton, Ralls.

Referee: Lee Probert (Wiltshire)

Tottenham: Cudicini, Bassong, Livermore, Dawson, Rose, Lennon, Pienaar, Kranjcar, Giovani dos Santos, Pavlyuchenko, Defoe.

Subs: Gomes, Kaboul, van der Vaart, Iago Falque, Bostock, Carroll, Parrett.

Cheltenham: Brown, Bennett, Elliott, Garbutt, Jombati, Pack, Low, Penn, Summerfield, Spencer, Mohamed.

Subs: Book, Lowe, Andrew, Duffy, Goulding, Smikle, Graham.

Referee: Lee Mason (Lancashire)

As previously mentioned, Defoe is the only survivor from our last outing. Dawson also returns after a long absence.

Swindon: Foderingham, Caddis, Flint, McCormack, Kennedy, Ritchie, Ferry, Jonathan Smith, De Vita, Connell, Murray.

Subs: Phil Smith, Devera, Benson, Gabilondo, Cibocchi, Magera, Louis Thompson.

Wigan: al-Habsi, Boyce, Caldwell, Lopez, Mustoe, Maloney, Thomas, McArthur, Watson, McManaman, di Santo.

Subs: Pollitt, Gohouri, Moses, Gomez, Sammon, Dicko, Redmond.

Referee: Peter Walton (Northamptonshire)

Only al-Habsi and Watson keep their places.

Norwich: Rudd, Martin, Whitbread, Ayala, Drury, Fox, Crofts, Surman, Hoolahan, Holt, Jackson.

Subs: Steer, Johnson, Morison, Bennett, Lappin, Barnett, Wilbraham.

Burnley: Grant, Amougou, Edgar, Easton, Mee, Wallace, Marney, McCann, Rodriguez, Paterson, Austin.

Subs: Stewart, Stanislas,Hines, Bartley, Treacy, MacDonald, Jackson.

Referee: Mike Jones (Cheshire)

Newcastle: Krul, Simpson, Coloccini, Williamson, Santon, Obertan, Abeid, Cabaye, Gutierrez, Ben Arfa, Best.

Subs: Elliot, Perch, Gosling, Ryan Taylor, Shola Ameobi, Sammy Ameobi, Vuckic.

Blackburn: Bunn, Olsson, Givet, Hanley, Henley, Pedersen, Petrovic, N'Zonzi, Vukcevic, Goodwillie, Rochina.

Subs: Kean, Formica, Slew, Blackman, Yakubu, Morris, Lowe.

Referee: Kevin Friend (Leicestershire)

No Samba whatsoever in the Blackburn squad. Abeid gets a rare start for Newcastle.

Gillingham: Flitney, Lee, Richards, Lawrence, Frampton, Jack Payne, Whelpdale, Weston, Montrose, Jackman, Kedwell.

Subs: Gazzaniga, Oli, Rooney, Fish, Davies, Rance, Stefan Payne.

Stoke: Begovic, Woodgate, Shawcross, Huth, Upson, Shotton, Palacios, Delap, Jerome, Jones, Walters.

Subs: Nash, Higginbotham, Whelan, Fuller, Diao, Pennant, Whitehead.

Referee: Mark Halsey (Lancashire)

Tony Pulis returns to his old club where he is still on bad terms with the chairman. Gazz is Gillingham's reserve goalie, apparently?

Fulham: Stockdale, Kelly, Senderos, Hangeland, John Arne Riise, Murphy, Frei, Dempsey, Dembele, Ruiz, Zamora.

Subs: Etheridge, Sidwell, Orlando Sa, Kasami, Gecov, Duff, Hughes.

Charlton: Sullivan, Solly, Taylor, Morrison, Wiggins, Green, Pritchard, Hollands, Jackson, Wright-Phillips, Kermorgant.

Subs: Pope, Hughes, Evina, Hayes, Wagstaff, Euell, Cort.

Referee: Phil Dowd (Staffordshire)

Kerim Frei comes in as the only change from the side that beat Arsenal.

MISCELLANEOUS SELECTED TEAM NEWS: Wigan make nine changes for their match against Swindon, Everton make six, as do Stoke, Norwich make five, but Fulham put out a strong side against League One leaders Charlton that includes former Addick Danny Murphy. Cardiff make 10 changes for their tie against Premier League West Brom, who make just the one. By the way, Swindon's tie against Wigan is being shown live on TV in Italy - anything to do with Paolo di Canio?

[Lineker]

Norwich (Holt followed by Jackson), Bolton (Klasnic), Everton (Heitinga), West Brom (Odemwingie), and Fulham (Dempsey) have already taken early leads against lower-league opposition. Derby and Coventry are also one-up in all-Championship ties.

[Baddar]

Well in, Lineker.

[Colly]

Its from the Daily Fail so take with a pinch of salt, but I don't remember many incidents of players crying after a coin throw...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2083403/Liverpool-race-row-Fan-abuses-Oldham-player-Tom-Adeyemi.html?ITO=1490

Yet more bad PR.

It's not like the club can control idiot fans now is it?

One of the silliest things in that article is 'Liverpool fans wearing Luis Suarez shirts. Then they show a photo of fans said to be abusing Adeyemi and not a single Suarez shirt or scarf in the photo.

I then looked at the video (I was watching the game last night but my steam wasn't great and I didn't properly see this). There were what looks like three guys in Suarez shirts with scarfs and hats on. You can an official walking over towards them.

The Suarez chant flares up but that could just be poor timing since it was a break in play. Because they've been chanting his name a lot recently even when he hasn't been playing.

Hopefully those three guys that seem to be to blame get a deserving punishment.

Well yeah, I said that myself in my response to Linnacre.

But can they control idiot fans? To an extent yes. As you say if those fans are identified and deemed guilty punishment can be dealt out presumably in the form of bans and this particular incident can be written off. The issue for me, as I've stated several times is the lack of any kind of statement to try to prevent this vocal minority from continuing, be it this one, or the Collymore tweets, or whatever else we've had. From the second that the players wore the Suarez shirts these morons will have felt like the club were 'on their side' and its continued. I'm not saying that you can prevent idiots from being idiots (see the Prem thread for a story of a Northumberland lad being chased for similar tweets), but the club just haven't done anywhere near enough to say 'stop it, this is not what Liverpool FC is about'.

Edit: Grrrr, Badwillie!

Edited January 7, 2012 by Colly

[Lineker]

Kranjcar is having a blinder for us in the middle of the park. Defoe's goal has given us a one goal lead.

[Lineker]

Kranjcar is having a blinder for us in the middle of the park. Defoe's goal has given us a one goal lead.

..as I type this, Donkeychenko makes it two. Decent goal though.

[Berober]

Time to put my Lineker glasses on:

Aston Villa: Guzan, Hutton, Collins, Dunne, Warnock, Petrov, Albrighton, Clark, Ireland, Bent, Heskey.

Subs: Agbonlahor, Bannan, Marshall, Gardner, Weimann, Delph, N'Zogbia.

Bristol Rovers: Poke, Woodards, Bolger, Downes, Sawyer, Stanley, Dorman, Zebroski, Richards, Carayol, Anyinsah.

Subs: Smith, McGleish, Brown, Cronin, McLaggon, Goddard, Anthony.

Referee: Howard Webb (Yorkshire)

[Baddar]

No referee?

You fucking suck, berober!