JasonM Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 22 minutes ago, Chris2K said: The US start times aren't usually this late are they? 11pm for qualifying seems strange. IIRC they pushed the times up to capture a larger US audience. 20:00GMT is at 12:00 on the US West Coast. In the past they had races basically in the morning and audience share suffered, now that F1 has gotten more appeal in the USA in the past few years they're trying to push the times up for that audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
METALMAN Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 I didn't expect the FIA's penalty for the cost cap breach would be this harsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris2K Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 From an F1 perspective enough can't be said about him. His willingness to buy both Jaguar and Minardi in the space of three years stopped the F1 grid from falling apart in the 2000s, the amount of drivers that have been given opportunities because of the Red Bull drivers program is insane (and the way some were treated wasn't down to him) and he bought and re-developed an entire circuit. All because he turned a Thai energy drink into a worldwide one by adding a ridonkulous amount of caffeine. The bigger concern is whether whoever inherits the Red Bull empire will be willing to invest as much in the sport as he did, because a grid without Red Bull and Alpha Tauri is barely a grid. And I bet they still wouldn't let Andretti in. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
METALMAN Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 Yeah I think I agree entirely. Obviously corporate investment in sport is never going to be altruistic but I think Mateschitz and F1 is a good example of it being done right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
METALMAN Posted October 23, 2022 Report Share Posted October 23, 2022 Shame Vettel is retiring. That was a banging performance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris2K Posted October 23, 2022 Report Share Posted October 23, 2022 It's so depressing that Max just takes away any potential feel-good moments by winning every, single, race. I was so hoping Lewis would be able to hang on, but it also always felt like an inevitability. Speaking of inevitabilities, the inevitable "Stroll makes a sudden move on a straight" accident finally happened, Fernando was so close to hitting that gap in the barriers at 150mph. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris2K Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 Stroll has a 3 place grid penalty for causing the crash, which is not the race ban he deserves. Fernando has been given a 30 second penalty after Haas complained that his car's mirror was unsafe after the crash, and the stewards agreed he should have been given a black and orange flag. That drops him from 7th to 15th. Hey Haas, fuck you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
METALMAN Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 Ibf, if anyone knows about black and orange flags... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris2K Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 I can understand their frustration at the different standards, but this wasn't a case of a race where they got a penalty and Alonso didn't, just them feeling aggrieved about previous decisions that had nothing to do with Alonso or this race. I also don't think it's fair for a car to be punished for damage caused by another driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twist Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Chris2K said: I can understand their frustration at the different standards, but this wasn't a case of a race where they got a penalty and Alonso didn't, just them feeling aggrieved about previous decisions that had nothing to do with Alonso or this race. I also don't think it's fair for a car to be punished for damage caused by another driver. I put this in the wrong thread before but it gave them two points, which is now their lead over Alpha Tauri in the constructors championship. So a savvy move on their part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chris2K Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 I hope they go with that livery, it looks great. This now means that the Sauber entry will have competed as: - A Mercedes works team - A Red Bull owned team - A BMW works team - A Ferrari B team - An Alfa Romeo sponsored team - An Audi works team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Lusophone Posted October 28, 2022 Report Share Posted October 28, 2022 Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris2K Posted October 28, 2022 Report Share Posted October 28, 2022 At least justice has been done, even if it is apparently because the Haas protest was submitted too late rather than for any common sense reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chris2K Posted October 28, 2022 Report Share Posted October 28, 2022 With a punishment that insignificant, it's almost like they negotiated it themselves. Oh, wait. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobfoc Posted October 28, 2022 Report Share Posted October 28, 2022 How much of a difference is the 10% restriction on wind tunnel time likely to make? The Red Bull cars are already quite a way ahead of their rivals. It makes me wonder if the big teams will all overspend if the fine doesn't come out of the next year's spending limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
METALMAN Posted October 28, 2022 Report Share Posted October 28, 2022 Yeah, I've got a feeling the cost cap failed at the first hurdle. We're in FFP territory here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twist Posted October 28, 2022 Report Share Posted October 28, 2022 Sentiment in the paddock seems to be that it’s a reasonable punishment. One or two dissenting voices, Seidel at McLaren for example, but by and large not too much frustration. Toto seemed okay with it and if he wasn’t, we’d soon know. Horner’s press conference was shit though even if some of his points were valid. They’re always very hard done by at Red Bull (and most other teams to be fair). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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